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  Ex wife getting a heart operation

  by greenhornet in

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  my kids mother is getting a new heart valve.

  there upset because she is making sure no blood is to be used and her jw cronies will be with her making it hard for my kids even to visit her in the hospital.

  can jws get a pigs heart valve now and is her request by having no blood make this procedure difficult for the surgin for a successful operation?.

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  About ten years ago I had open-heart surgery - repair of mitral valve prolapse. In my case my own valve was left in - reinforced with a plastic ring.

  I made sure my doctors knew that I was PERFECTLY WILLING to receive blood if it was necessary - in fact I had a couple pints of my own blood collected for the occasion so I wouldn't have to worry about getting blood from someone with HIV, Hep-C, or who-knows-what?

  Turns out NOT A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD WAS USED at any time before, during or after my operation. The procedures and efficiencies have progressed tremendously in the past 60 years, it is the WTB&TS that is standing still.
  
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  How does the Preaching Work get done Under a Ban?

  by Quarterback in

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  the year book tells us that some activity in fs is being performed in countries that are banned, is this accurate?

  how on earth is it accomplished?

  do anyone have any experience?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Poorly, just as when not under a ban.
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  What finally helped you to peek behind the curtain

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  2. experiences

  i'm interested in finding out what it was that finally enabled you to open your eyes to the real truth of watchtower.

  what started me thinking, was the societys very own book...' 'revelation..it's grand climax at hand'.

  i found that book farcicle.

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  Q.: "What finally helped you to peek behind the curtain?"

  A.: I had been attending meetings with my fanatic mother since I was about 7. I did what I was told to do, pioneering, etc. I was made a Ministerial Servant before I was 20, or soon after. While I was an MS I learned that there was a predatory pedophile in the congregation I was associated with (Middle Village Congregation, Queens, NYC). The elders had a meeting and decided that to protect the reputation of The Universal Sovereign and His Organization, the matter should be KEPT SECRET. The pedophile was permitted to teach the congregation from the podium and he eventually married a young sister with two small children. She was never told of his history.

  I had other, more minor issues with the Society, but this put the frosting on my cake. I withdrew from pioneering, the TMS, and my "position" in the congregation, then I took a job on the other side of the country where I knew no one.
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  Does the Jehovah's Witnesses religoius cult create people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the american psychiatry association lists nine symptoms – if someone ticks five of these, they could have narcissistic personality disorder.

  the nine points of narcissism.

  has a grandiose sense of self-importance.. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.. believes that he or she is ‘special’ and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people.. requires excessive admiration.. has a sense of entitlement.. is inter-personally exploitative (takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.. .

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  Q.: "Does the Jehovah's Witnesses religoius [sic] cult create people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder ?

  A.: Yes, I believe it can. I have known many who meet the definition, and I myself was at risk before I perfected my humility.
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  New here..help greatly appreciated

  by Confusedandangry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi everyone i don't even know where to begin.

  i recently saw leah remini's series on scientology thanks to my husband (semi-active jw) and i felt like my eyes were being opened for the 1st time in my adult life.

  i felt shaken almost sick to my stomach with each episode i watched.

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  Nathan Natas

  "Ring the bells (ring the bells) that still can ring

  Forget your perfect offering

  There is a crack in everything (there is a crack in everything)

  That's how the light gets in"

  -- from Leonard Cohen "ANTHEM"

  Click here

  WELCOME!

  The odd feeling is called 'cognitive dissonance.' What you're experiencing are growing pains. You'll find friends here, and chances are that you'll be fine.
  
  
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  Leah Remini - Scientology Documentary

  by tresdecu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know some has been posted about leah remini and her split from scientology.

  i just wanted to add after finishing it last night, it is a must watch for questioning jws...every episode has familiar situations and parallels that will make jws really think (or squirm).

  watch it with someone you want to wake up!!!!

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  ab.ortega asked, "is it available on Hulu?"

  I have no idea, why don't YOU LOOK?
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  Hyper Tech

  by IveBeenBitten in

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  2. current

  this "world event" is a few years away but i'm in the field so i work everyday to prepare for it.. our technology is advancing at an exponential rate.

  shit will hit the fan because of it.. even as a jw i knew this was coming.

  in fact, i thought that's what the bible was talking about.

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  Nathan Natas

  IveBeenBitten said, "I don't know what I'm getting at with this topic."

  I agree!
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  Trumps Inaugural Address - Comparisons

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought i would start a new post about trumps inaugural address.

  has anyone here seen "the new pope"?

  jude law gave a stirring performance playing the pope.

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  Nathan Natas

  I'm a fan of dumbasses, Azor, thus a BIG fan of YOU!

  Tell me again about how easily I fooled you.
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  Has WT actually drafted an End of Days tract?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard in years past that there was such a tract planned for the great tribulation.

  my father at the time denied this, and reasoned that that would not be a loving thing for them to do, to essentially say, "told ya so!".

  last year, the bunker videos had brother brown mention "a message of judgment".. has such material been drafted or is this just another bluff?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Schnell asked, "...Has such material been drafted or is this just another bluff?"

  I was associated with JWs in NYC between approximately 1957-1977 or so. The days of my "yoot."

  The Overseer of the Sunnyside congregation in Queens was Howard Zenke who worked the Service Desk in Bethel, if memory serves. The Middle Village congregation shared the Kingdom Hall with Sunnyside. The Overseer of Middle Village was Mike Smilnak, also a Bethelite. Both congregations had LOADS of Bethelites in various positions, and a handful of local, non-Bethelite family men who were elders and servants.

  Having been there through the "1975 build-up" I can ASSURE you that while this "message of judgement" was a common JW fantasy, there was never any actual draft of such a message. This is similar to the way JWs yearned for the "big house on the hill" but never actually moved into it because REALITY kept getting in the way -- the world refused to die.

  In my opinion, the "End of Blah-Blah-Blah" tracts don't count: NONE of those were "See, I told ya so!" messages.

  The "End of Blah-Blah-Blah" tracts were like an evolution of the assembly "resolutions" of the early to mid 20th century; insignificant to both the (non-existent) "spiritual" and secular worlds.
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  Regressive Left Meme

  by Bangalore in

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  Nathan Natas

  "I'll bring hawaj for the coffee..."